JOHANNESBURG — He may now be former FinMin, but Pravin Gordhan is still occupying the limelight. In an interview aired on BBC HARDTalk this week, Gordhan has gone on to decry the levels of corruption in South Africa and how “disclosures” concerning one family, namely the Guptas, have revealed how the state has been hijacked. Gordhan now is just an ordinary MP but he appears to be carrying out a ‘struggle’ of a new kind in South Africa in which he’s fighting for the desperate need of clean governance. However, chances are slim that the majority of ANC MPs who voted for Zuma to stay in last week’s motion of no-confidence will listen to Gordhan. Will he then resign, leave the ANC and become part of a new breakaway party? – Gareth van Zyl
You can watch the BBC interview by clicking here while there is also another snippet of the interview posted in the tweet below.
— BBC HARDtalk (@BBCHARDtalk) August 16, 2017
The ANC is still absolutely crucial for South Africa’s future. The values, the programs, and the policies of the ANC are extremely relevant for now and possibly, for the next decade or two because those are the policies that can still bind this nation together and hold better prospects for South Africa. However, we have to be frank in that we’ve gone through a period of disclosures, which have demonstrated to South Africans (and indeed, the world) that the state machinery and state resources are being used in the wrong kind of way. So, it’s important to distinguish between the ANC as an organisation – its values and programs on the one hand – and individuals who currently, in the view of many, don’t perform their responsibilities in accordance with those values.
You talk about the need to be frank. In the spirit of frankness, the chief whip of the ANC Jackson Mthembu, said that there should be disciplinary process for all those MP’s for the motion of no confidence in Jacob Zuma. Do you agree with him?
Stephen, he’s actually reported as saying, “There should be no witch hunt and that in fact, this is a moment where we need to step back a bit as an organisation and indeed, as South Africa and reflect on what the reasons are for ending up where we are today.” In a self-critical way, as many documents of the ANC, formerly presented at the ANC meetings indicate, there are things to reflect on. For example, why do we have so much corruption and what do we do about it? What is this grip that one family and its broader syndicate have on the structures of the state and have this remarkable ability to filter out what appears to be billions of Rands (of public money and public finances) from state-owned enterprises and other sections of government, into accounts in different parts of the world? How do we finally unite the organisation in line with Mr Mandela and his generation’s value?