De Beer: Mashatile’s “thugs”; CR's “reign of disaster”; Afrikaner refugees; and “mass economic emigration”…

In his latest Sunday Show, Neil De Beer, the President of the United Independent Movement (UIM) gives BizNews viewers his take on Deputy President Paul Mashatile’s pledge to protect the R100 billion Transformation Fund from corruption, the acquittal of his VIP Protection Officers of assault in an internal police disciplinary hearing - despite video evidence; POPCRU’s call for Democratic Alliance (DA) MP Ian Cameron to be removed as the Chairperson of the Police Portfolio Committee because he called these bodyguards “thugs”. De Beer casts a Vote of No Confidence in President Cyril Ramaphosa following his launch of the second phase of Operation Vulindlela. “He cannot deliver… if you…look at the past 10 years where this man has basically had the reign of this country, it's a disaster.” De Beer laments the “mass economic emigration” of South Africans, not just Afrikaners poised to leave for America in the coming days. Meanwhile, he vows to stay in South Africa - with a call to remove the African National Congress (ANC), “this treacherous government, and the people that continue to slaughter the carcass of such a good country” by beating them at the ballot box. “…we can't go on like this; it's not possible”.

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Edited transcript of the interview

Chris Steyn (00:02.188)

Winter has come early to the Cape of Storms, but here we are with the Sunday Show with Neil De Beer, the President of the United Independent Movement. Welcome, Neil.

Chris Steyn (01:39.384)

Let's start with Deputy President Paul Mashatile. His pledge to protect the 100 billion Rand Transformation Fund from corruption.

Neil De Beer (01:51.49)

You know, when you start to say the word Paul Mashatile, I think it hurts people. You know, when you go and you fly, quite often like I do, and you go down to touchdown, sometimes your ears close because of the differentiation in air pocket. And then there's a whizzing hier in jou kop en jou brein. Well, Paul Mashatile gives me that because he's every single week, Chris, in the news for the wrong bloody thing. Now, except for this gentleman, if we must call him that today, trying to feistily fight to be the next president, which I really hope he will not be, is in the news this week for again two wrong things. 

Number one, which we will discuss today, is the absolute crazy behaviour of the people that surround him. And we will have an in-depth discussion on that. 

But, Chris, can you imagine having a person that has to revive, restrain, reorganise and redirect the economy, sits on more committees than Tant Stienie and at this current moment of time gets up and says they are going to now not only BEE, BBEE, but they're now going to raise another 100 million to ensure that BEE, BEEE, is solidified and protected from corruption. 

Chris, where have you ever heard, ever heard in your life that a member of cabinet of a country has to go into the media and say to people that we are going to spend this money on already something that's hopeless, and that he will guarantee that this amount of money will not be stolen. 

Now there was the same speech made by Cupcake Cyril, if I can take you back, so that our memory are not dazed, that when we were talking about the COVID funding and we were severely locked down, I remember chasing service and delivery everywhere that we could. 

I mean, Chris, lockdown was harsh.

Neil De Beer (04:16.768)

It was so harsh that Bheki Cele had to chase people in the sea with jet skis to arrest surfboard players. Dit was verskriklike. It was.

But I will never forget when Cyril Ramaphosa wanted money from corporate South Africa, which you know he asked for donations, and also made the same statement that they will ensure that that money will be circled, will be protected. And what happened at the end of the day, Chris? 500 billion gone. 

So I'm sorry. Paul Mashatile can say what he wants to and he can say anything that he wants us to be satisfied…

But I would like to read then just the following statement to Mr. Paul Mashatile. Paul, you there? Here it goes. Zondo Commission, four years, 300 witnesses, 3,171 summonses, 8.6 million pages of documents in the Zondo Commission, one billion rand of taxpayers money and 1438 ANC elite cronies and cadres mentioned in the Zondo Commission. 

Mr. Mashatile, if you want this country's support and if you want this country’s absolute trust, fix that, start with that and maybe this country will start getting credibility back when you and your leadership start talking about money, corruption and protection.

Chris Steyn (06:15.064)

Well, still on the Deputy President, he had quite a good week. His VIP Protection Officers being acquitted of assault in an internal police disciplinary hearing despite video evidence.

Neil De Beer (06:31.118)

Chris, I will echo Mr. Ian Cameron's statement. The only problem is Mr. Cameron is bound by an oath and has been sworn in a Parliament, I have not been. So I can say this in public until maybe one day I enter the hallow grounds of that tent. Thugs. Absolute thugs. There's no other way to describe them as a bunch of hooligans and thugs that have each been given a badge. 

Now, the first thing that Popcru does, which sounds like something that you take with a bit of salt and vinegar when you go to the cinema, but unfortunately, Popcru is one of the police unions of this country. Popcru, who is supposed to stand up for the rights of police, and obviously also to ensure that the public interest is served through the police, says that Mr. Ian Cameron must immediately be removed as the Chairperson of the Police Portfolio Committee because he called them thugs. Well, they are thugs. They are nothing else as a couple of people that took their position and weaponised it. There's a video out there. They said that that video should not be used in evidence.

I'd like to remind it and the people that thank goodness this is just an internal affair. As I understand it, there is still court cases that will come out where criminal charges will be put to them. 

But, Chris, doesn't that again allude to the fact where Mr. Paul Mashatile at a very famous BizNews conference, when a certain person got up at that conference and said to him, what are you going to do to clear your name? And he said, no, he will absolutely succumb to the internal parliamentary disciplinary processes. This is exactly the same. Why would one on one find each guilty when they are all one? So, Chris, it's shocking. It is a terrible shame. And I must tell you that this is not the conduct that we as citizens wish to have from police officers, but more…

Neil De Beer (08:53.666)

…the kind of ethos, honour and dignity that should surround the person that is supposed to be the deputy president of this country. Hooligans and thugs and you can put that on record.

Chris Steyn (09:06.594)

Meanwhile, President Cyril Ramaphosa has launched the second phase of Operation Vulindlela. How did the first phase go, Neil, in your opinion?

Neil De Beer (09:19.63)

I think this is going to go off like a Rocky show. Rocky 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8 and he's retired. You know, Chris, when you... Firstly, let's discuss what is the word Vulindlela. Vulindlela translated directly from a Zulu translation means: Open the way. Maak die pad oop. So that's what it means. It means opening the way. Now, if this… is the second round of opening the way to economic refreshment, revival, then GodI , must tell you, prevent us to get to Vulindlela 3. 

You know Cyril, Chris, which I know, you know, I've watched him from the dark side and the light side, loves poetic suggestions and phrases, you know. I remember when he sat down the one day in parliament with his opening statement and he used a Hugh Masakela song Thuma Mina, which means: Send Me. I later on added a word called Thuma Mina Pe…, which means Send me where? Want die donner alleen weet waarheen jy ons stuur. But that was his poetic grip. And then, you know, he came back with this great story and I was there.

One day when I see Cyril again, I will remind him that I was at the 80th birthday of Ma Winnie, which was held at the Mount Nelson. And he there started also with a poem. Rise. We will rise. And now he uses a Brenda Fassie song, Vulindlela. And you know, Chris, nothing's going to happen. No openings, no ways. It's just going to go in shock.

Did you read his speech? I read it. I had to read it to give a comment about it. You know, he speaks of progress and projects and commissions and investigations and conclusions and understandings and the foundation. Just so, mense…if you went on like this, this would be like a festival in a Chinese restaurant. You just take everything away. 

But he's not delivering.

Neil De Beer (11:41.238)

He cannot deliver on what he now says is going to deliver more energy, more power, he's going to build more dams, he's going to build more schools. What about five, six years ago when he was speaking about building these massive techno parks? You see, you've got to be technically apt to build a techno park. 

I mean, at one stage he couldn't even find his laptop. I'm not insulting him, I'm just saying, Ons is nou moeg man? We're not tired of continually Vulindlela 2, Vulindlela 3, Vulindlela 4, Vulindlela 5, Vulindlela 6, Vulindlela... It's starting to sound like a traditional wedding song. 

So again, Chris, great words, great speech, great things that he wants to progress on. But if you have to sit down and look at the past 10 years where this man has basically had the reign of this country, it's a disaster. 

And he has still not fixed...America. He has still not appointed an ambassador permanent. He's sending a person that's already going into a cloud. 

And until he doesn't fix the problems of absolutely rectifying our biggest trade partner in the world, we can maar Vulindlela todat jy in you moer in is, but we are not going to get to the end of the show. And that is the sad part of it. Like to trust him, like to believe him. I think this is now the fourth time, fifth time bitten, 16 times shy.

Chris Steyn (13:13.368)

Talking about America, Neil, are you going to be on the Sunday Show next week or are you going to be on that chartered plane with a hundred Afrikaner refugees on their way to Trump's America?

Neil De Beer (13:25.506)

No, I'm going to be here. No, no. Chris, I want to make it very clear because I think the last time, you know, that we did the BizNews conference, which was a great success. I think people on my reaction when I said that I’ll stay, that it was a indictment on the people that want to go. So, let's quickly, if I may spend two minutes on that.

Neil De Beer (13:53.326)

Chris, there are certain people in this country that feel that they have no more an economic, a physical or a safety future in this country of their birth. This is a feeling that you cannot eradicate and this is something that you can't dictate to many. 

It's time that people just sit back and understand that the 100 people or the 200 people, or as I now understand it, the 8,000 applicants that they are still working through, Chris, are part of a meaningful people that leave the country every day. So if they're going by the 100 or if they're going by the 20, 50 a day, there's no difference. People are economically immigrating. Can we use that word? There's a mass economic emigration of South Africans, and it's not just going to the United States of America. They are going wherever they can get a job. They are going wherever they can be welcomed. And Chris, I make it very clear, saddest moment in our life, saddest time that we are living through a generation where you and I are physically seeing people leave their country of birth because they don't see a future anymore.

If you wish to go overseas, and if you want to go get yourself a better life, Chris, we can't stop you and we won't stop you, and actually we support that you look after your family. There are many people there, the H2A, I know you know them, the people that go farm overseas, that don't see their kids and families for years because they need to earn a living. But shocking, skokkend, that we have got to the stage where another country is saying to our people, no matter the news, no matter the fake news, the hype, or whoever has whose ear, sad the day...that we are finding such migration taking place not anymore just because they want to earn a better living, but because of culture, because of creed, and yes, Chris, because of the pigmentation of skin, that they are now going to have to leave or they feel they have to leave. I say we stay. The only way that we can change this country is to change the position of its law, of its thinking, and of its ethos.

Neil De Beer (16:18.028)

And I'm one of those that are. Trust me, on the matter of this, Chris, there are hundreds and thousands of South Africans that wish they did not have to leave this country. I know it. But to them, there is absolutely one thing clear: You will remain a South African in your heart and in your soul, and that will never leave your DNA. And we wish them well. We just wish that we could bring them back sooner than later.

Chris Steyn (19:30.75)

Thank you, Neil. You know, before we go to the state of the South African National Defense Force, I know some of our viewers are wondering whether we have more information on the Hennops River cops who died there so tragically, but I'm still getting in a lot of information that needs to be processed. So I'd like to us to reserve judgment on that unless you have something specific that you feel we should share today.

Neil De Beer (20:05.13)

Well, Chris, this thing has been suppressed and put under cover quicker than what you can say Maak daai potjiekos toe. This thing has been, I don't know if you agree, but it's been silenced on every angle that currently you can find. 

The last bit that we got was that the secondary part of the car was removed. People were starting to give their opinions. And Chris, I'm always scared when we get people that give their opinions and there's no fact on that basis. 

And I think when you and I started the show, it feels so many years ago, but it isn't, that we agreed that we would not put anything on the show if it wasn't verified or fact-checked. So we did not give an opinion. 

The only thing that we are now understanding that has come out that's extra…is that in actual fact, the deployment that was given to the public of who these officers were seemingly are now coming out that, and I'm saying allegedly, is not so that they were deployed in a certain capacity. We now find out that the one gentleman that was found was without a doubt in CI. He was in Crime Intelligence. That is now the fourth person. But it also deems that one of the three that also were deceased, let's call it the original three, that one of them were also linked to Crime Intelligence and that is to be verified. 

So this thing is definitely not going to go away. And…I think from our side, as the Sunday Show on BizNews, we won't let it go away. I think we owe it to the deceased officers to find out what's going on and ensure that justice does prevail. And that is exactly where it is. Chris, you will bring it out and I will bring it out the moment that we get more verified. 

But sad indeed, their services held in the past week and not not at all good to see the sorrow and the sadness from the families left behind.

Chris Steyn (22:04.524)

With no answers. Neil, let's go to the South African National Defense Force. All the spin around the withdrawal from the DRC and that really sad medal parade of the Navy.

Neil De Beer (22:22.222)

Yeah. Chris, firstly, when the Admiral, Vice Admiral of the Navy stands up and actually has to say that the actual division that he heads up is in disarray. Chris, don't we find it shocking that this is now the third or fourth general, although he is a vice admiral, has to get up in public and say that his own service is in absolute collapse and in a state of disaster. 

I noted that they've launched, I think, two frigates or two strike craft in the past month, which they absolutely enjoyed for the massive pomp and ceremony. But now the problem is you probably need sailors to sail them, and you probably need fuel to fuel them and you probably need to service them. 

And again, Chris, this is where the Chief of the Army, the Chief of the Navy and everybody and even the Air Force have got up and said, but we don't have the budget. We don't have the funding and we need to rectify that. So they can launch another canoe and 19 kayaks that have a spear gun attached to it. But it ain't going to make the difference. They don't have the money to take those ships and do what they should be. And that is to patrol our shores, do maritime defense. 

So I hope, Chris, that this poor gentleman that stood there, seemingly very alone, get some help and actually get some assistance. 

And then, Chris, to move over and to look at the, what you and I have been asking for now so many, is to withdraw our troops from the DRC. Chris, so shocking that we can't fly them out, but that we have to drive them out to Tanzania. I mean, have you ever heard in modern day warfare, in modern day tactics, that we have not been granted permission by the enemy to actually bring aircraft in to fly our people out so that they in one day can be back home, but it takes them two, three weeks just to drive from their camp to another camp so that they can be moved to another camp. This is ridiculous.  And Chris…

Neil De Beer (24:48.472)

….to claim victory, to go sit there and say that we as the SANDF can be proud. Yes, we are. We are very proud of each man and woman that did their service, but we are definitely not proud on this show of the management and the leadership that absolutely caused the disarray that we went through and ended up in the loss of a multitude of our sons and daughters. We will not forget that.

And they must not come here and talk utter rubbish when they say that we can claim victory on this matter. It was a failure. It was a dismal letdown. And we must never, ever have that happen again. I think the voices of South Africans truly combined themselves, stood up and made this happen. So to the South Africans out there that stood up to bring our sons and daughters back, kudos to you and well done. 

I just wish we could have the same voice by removing this ANC, this treacherous government, and the people that continue to slaughter the carcass of such a good country. And the only way we can do that is beat them at the ballot box and make sure that there is truly change coming, because we can't go on like this; it's not possible.

Chris Steyn (26:03.704)

Niel, I want to go back to Zondo. You mentioned the Zondo Commission earlier. While the country is waiting for high profile prosecutions, behind the scenes and sometimes not behind the scenes, political opponents and whistleblowers are being targeted with malicious prosecutions. Is the NPA captured? What is happening here?

Neil De Beer (26:29.848)

You know, Chris, we spoke about this. Judge Zondo came out, I think, a week or two ago, where he was speaking at an event. He actually touched on the matter of Jacob Zuma, the incarceration of Jacob Zuma, which was a farce. It was an absolute, in my opinion, the appeasement of a few so that we could keep the many at bay, little that helped the people that suffered the looting in KZN. And he touched on the fact that his opinion was totally different from many on the bench and that Jacob Zuma who got a medical parole certificate, just like the other walking dead that are amongst us, currently should have stayed longer. And Chris, when you now look at the veracity of certain people like Jacob Zuma and their fierce combating of this death illness that they had, why they could not go and sit in prison like they were judged to be, they are absolutely drinking something, Chris, that we should find out. We should write an official letter and say, how the hell did they get it right to be so alive? Because when they were going to go in, they were so dead. 

So I think the touching of Zondo on that matter is a clear indication that not everybody that sits in the benches of justice is captured. 

The only problem is, Chris, is de facto now. It is now clear on the record and nothing can be done from his side. 

I don't think we are struggling with a NPA that is corrupt in a big way. Yes, there must be corruption and that's been flaunted and we do have that expose month after month. 

Chris, I'm starting to think that very clearly there is no support, there is no structure and there's absolutely no funding to get to competency. 

Now you will remember when they asked for the Zondo Commission's files. There was a time, I think three months ago, we did a show where we spoke where a prosecutor said that they think that evidence is being destroyed, allegedly, and that they are not being given the proper investigative dockets by the investigators, which is prohibiting this onslaught of getting the 1,348 people that have been named…

Neil De Beer (28:53.912)

…to stand in the accused box. Now there's been one or two that have been given to us, Chris. But that is a lamb tjoppie what hierso onder the ribbetjie sit; we are not interested in that. We are interested in the whole carcass - and yeah, I understand. Chris, I don't know. It's time for a new boss. It's new. We've spoken about this. And that we get someone out there that's, I think, a bit more feisty and a bit more ready. But the indicators at this time is it's a waste of time.

Chris Steyn (29:23.97)

Thank you. That was Neil de Beer, the president of the United Independent Movement on the Sunday Show with me, Chris Steyn. Thank you, Neil.

Neil De Beer (29:33.624)

Thanks Chris and to all the moms, extra love today.