President Cyril Ramaphosa has accepted the Interim Report of the Madlanga Commission of Inquiry and its recommendations, and he has ordered Acting Police Minister Firoz Cachalia and National Police Commissioner General Fannie Masemola to form a special task team to investigate those identified thus far by the Commission for Investigation. His move is hailed by Juanita Du Preez of Action Society in her latest BizNews interview with Chris Steyn. However, she slams former Police Minister Senzo Mchunu for showing no sign of wanting to resign. “He should really just give up. It's so overwhelming, all of the evidence against him. I don't know how he thinks he can get away with it.” As for the elusive Brian Mogotsi’s refusal to appear before the Ad Hoc Committee unless Parliament pays for seven days of private security, she reminds him: “…those people who protected you, they're not there anymore.” Meanwhile, some politicians are believed to be celebrating the shock death of the infamous Goolam,who drove certain political narratives so forcefully on X. He was found dead in a Sandton hotel room and their is a debate raging over whether he committed suicide or was murdered. “I would really like to know who made the call to take him out, because I think that's what happened,” Du Preez says..Sign up for your early morning brew of the BizNews Insider to keep you up to speed with the content that matters. The newsletter will land in your inbox at 5:30am weekdays. Register here.Support South Africa’s bastion of independent journalism, offering balanced insights on investments, business, and the political economy, by joining BizNews Premium. Register here.If you prefer WhatsApp for updates, sign up to the BizNews channel here..Watch here:.Listen here:.Edited transcript of the interview.Chris Steyn (00:02.12)President Cyril Ramaphosa has accepted the Interim Teport of the Madlanga Commission of Inquiry and its recommendations, and he has ordered Acting Police Minister Firoz Cachalia and National Police Commissioner General Fannie Masemola to form a special task team to investigate those identified thus far by the Commission for Investigation. I get reaction from Juanita du Preez of Action Society. Welcome, Juanita Juanita Du Preez (00:33.944)Hi Chris and thank you for this exciting interview. It's just at the right time. Chris Steyn (00:41.202)Well, your first thoughts. Juanita Du Preez (00:45.39)I'm very happy that there is actually something happening. This is great news. The president got the interim report yesterday and today he already, there's some movement. 14 people that needs to be investigated and he's with the two top people in control of this investigation. So yeah, and it seems like the whole Ekurhuleni Metro PD is on that list. But after the horrible answers we had from Julius Mkhwanazi asked by Ian Cameron, I'm happy to see his name on there, but all of the other ones, yes, it's great to see all of these names and it's great to see the action and I hope the investigation goes well. Chris Steyn (01:42.772)General Senona also, after his lamentable performance, he struggled at the Madlanga Commission. Juanita Du Preez (01:51.596)Yeah, I think all of them was just, I'm happy it's these people. Senona adalleged involvement in obstructing the investigations and with the case in Hawks. So it's big names. It's not just random people, it's really high-ranking police officers and municipal officials. So yeah, it's great. Chris Steyn (02:26.292)Who else's name would you have liked to seen on that list? Juanita Du Preez (02:30.752)I was just thinking about that. I know this is the interim report and I would still like to see some other people in the final report implicated and investigated. Of course, we want to see the more national people, Dumisani. We want to see all of the high ranking police officers, not just in the KZN part of it, the top ranking. Who knew I would like to see all of them, everybody that was implicated, would like to see investigated and properly investigated. And then I would like to see consequences after that investigation. Chris Steyn (03:19.796)Now, Deputy National Commissioner or suspended Deputy National Commissioner Shadrack Sibiya, his name is not there yet. Juanita Du Preez (03:28.552)Not yet. I hope it is there in the future. But I wonder if his name is not there because it's not done. There's more to come. Maybe that could be it. But yeah, it's an interim report. So let's look for the final one. Then if their names are not on there, then I will be worried. But I think it's coming. Chris Steyn (03:58.716)Or maybe because he's already being investigated, as one can assume from the raid on his house, etc. Juanita Du Preez (04:06.754)That could be. He's just not officially listed on this list. But yes, it could very well be why his name is not on that list today. Chris Steyn (04:17.246)Hmm. Well, after all the testimony that has put Special Leave Police Minister Senzo Mchunu in a bad light, he is still digging in his heels and shows no sign of wanting to resign. Juanita Du Preez (04:35.116)He should really just give up. It's so overwhelming, all of the evidence against him. I don't know how he thinks he can get away with it…just going to saying it's a smear campaign against him. It's not. There's too many different people who confirmed everything that was going on behind the scenes. He really was aiming for that high post and he was not going to let anything stand in his way. And I hope, I'm happy that it came out and that we don't have him as the minister anymore. We have an acting minister and he's not stepped down yet, but I don't think he's going to be reinstated at all ever. Chris Steyn (05:31.636)Over to the drama at the Ad Hoc Committee, there's never a shortage of it. And now the elusive Brian Mogotse refuses to appear unless Parliament pays for seven days of private security. Juanita Du Preez (05:45.282)Well, maybe he got so used to the luxury life and that he's not willing to not have the luxury life. And I understand that he is afraid. But you should be afraid because you were doing wrong things. And I don't think it's a lot of people are afraid and a lot of people did wrong things. Nobody paid for their leave or for their stay when they have to come in front of the committee. So, it's actually ridiculous of him to expect that. I know he had the protection in the past, but those people who protected you, they're not there anymore. So you have to just face the consequences of what you did. And it's time for you to speak, to answer questions..Chris Steyn (06:40.006)Meanwhile, some politicians are probably celebrating the sudden shock death of the infamous Goulom, who drove certain political narratives so forcefully on X. He was found dead in a Sandton hotel room for those who don't know. Your thoughts? Juanita Du Preez (06:57.218)Yeah, that was... and I... when I heard about it, I was thinking... because he wasn't... the information that came out is that he wasn't acting out of his own conscious, because he wanted to bring out the truth. He was being funded by the secret fund… to discredit specific peoples and specific factions. So my first thought was, was he now asking for more money and he said, okay, then I'll spill the beans. Is that why he was taken out? Because it looks like it's looking like a suicide, but I don't think it is, obviously. Or was it the other side who got to him? It's very interesting. But I know that they got onto that investigation very fast to look at his social media and the messages and so on and so forth to see who he was linked to, who he was speaking to, who was funding him. So I hope that it moves fast. But I would really like to know who made the call to take him out, because I think that's what happened. Chris Steyn (08:25.682)Allegedly there were some anomalies in his room, like a pair of brand new school shoes and an empty laptop. And I don't know if you saw the photograph of his body. The first time I saw it, his face was blacked out and his one hand was up with his fist clenched. Many people then commented on the clenched fist and the next photograph appeared with his face not blocked out anymore, but the hand down. Did you notice? Juanita Du Preez (08:52.814)Yeah, they was, I didn't see the first one, it was, yeah, they are with, it looks staged. And that is what makes me think it was not a suicide or an overdose because there was cocaine and beer bottles and alcohol and so on… Chris Steyn (09:12.988)…and a vodka bottle on the bedside table, the typical staged suicide. Juanita Du Preez (09:17.166)Very, very staged. I think they could have tried better. Yeah, very strange things. But why was he now? Was he not useful anymore or was he asking too much payment? I hope all of those questions will be answered very soon. Chris Steyn (09:41.236)I mean, there's speculation that he was lured to the hotel room because he had been promised more money. That's what is being said on the one hand. On the other hand, it's being said that he had recently been served with court papers for defamation and hate speech, et cetera. So it's the suicide narrative versus the staged suicide narrative at the moment. Juanita Du Preez (10:06.828)Yeah, well, he was a…he was a very controversial guy. He maybe maybe didn't only do the stuff or broadcast comment on the stuff that he was paid for. Maybe some of it came from himself. I know there were a lot of defamation and complaints and so on against him. But definitely there was payment. That's come out from the hearings and all of the evidence that we've heard now. That is definitely something that happened. But we never celebrate when somebody is murdered. But if you want to play in that world, and this is what all of these criminals should know, if you want to play in that world, those are the risks that come with playing in that world. You had the fun times, had the big cars and mansions and everything and cash, but now all of that is gone and you might pay with your life because you were playing in that world. Chris Steyn (11:22.708)And while he didn't always get it right, he was uncannily accurate in some of his predictions. So, it eventually became obvious that he was being given information at quite a high level. Juanita Du Preez (11:35.596)Yes, it was too specific for a normal person or somebody who's speaking a bit deeper. It was too specific and coming at very specific times also, almost as if it was a planned social media campaign. So, yeah, and I think that is what alerted people to him maybe not just speaking for himself. Chris Steyn (12:04.572)I must say that that his posts about former President Jacob Zuma and Duduzile as well as Economic Freedom Fighters Commander in Chief Julius Malema and former Intelligence Minister Lindiwe Sisulu got really vicious. Juanita Du Preez (12:20.206)It got vicious. And that's what we're saying. For some of the stuff, he was spot on and in a comment kind of way. In hindsight, it was planned and you can see why it was posted to put the factions against each other in that way. For Zuma, the stuff that he said, yeah, got vicious. He didn't have a filter. But those are things that some of it was not obviously fake to him. He just said that. And some of it was obviously fake to him. Chris Steyn (13:07.462)And interestingly, he started going for Gauteng Premier Panyaza Lesufi. I think Lesufi was his last target before his death. Juanita Du Preez (13:18.392)Yeah, again, staying with those factions. I was wondering until when did he start doing the paid advertising, paid commenting, and until when did it last? So was the Panyaza Lesufi stuff, because it fits into the faction, was that also still under...falling under the contract that he had with the higher-ups in the police, or was that just himself taking aim at somebody? There is a lot to be said about Panyaza Lesufi. He is a high-ranking guy. He's also aiming for higher ranks. The stuff he's done has also been controversial for many people. So it could be either one of them. Chris Steyn (14:19.548)One thing about Goolam, he always stayed loyal to President Cyril Ramaphosa, didn't he? Juanita Du Preez (14:25.452)He did, and then he did and… I don't, yeah, there is a time and place to stay loyal and to be loyal. But you usually stay loyal to your friends and the people who do things for you. So the implication is that he stayed loyal to Ramaphosa. He put him in a good light. Everybody against Ramaphosa was in his gauge. And that makes me ask and wonder who was the person giving the opdrag, what do call it, the task, does it go up to President Ramaphosa or is it one of his inner circle people who was driving this narrative for him? Chris Steyn (15:28.084)Because Goolam was blindly loyal at all times. And he was very pro-GNU, remember. Juanita Du Preez (15:38.434)Yes, again, just showing who he was against, who he had in his target and who could do no wrong in his eyes. Even with the Phala Phala stuff, was blindly loyal to Ramaphosa while everybody else were asking different questions. Chris Steyn (16:07.188)Well, whether he killed himself over his work or whether he was killed because of his work, he's paid the ultimate price. Thank you. That was Juanita du Preez of Action Society speaking to me, Chris Steyn at BizNews.