Jabulani Khumalo: Zuma’s “cartel” & Mkhwanazi’s truth - and the “black money” buying SA leaders

The battle to reclaim MKP from former President Jacob Zuma is far from over. In this interview, the real founder of MKP, Jabulani Khumalo, gives Chris Steyn an update on his long legal battle to reclaim the party and rescue it from “thuggery” . “People are trying to steal this country through fraud. We have so many cartels, but MK has got a cartel also now. Because this cartel that is taking over MK is a cartel.” He charges that South Africa “is in this mess because our leaders are being run by these cartels. They are led by the dogs. People who use dark money, black money to use our leaders. We can't allow that.” Khumalo hails generals Nhlanhla Mkhwanazi, Fannie Masemola and Dumisani Khumalo “for helping us to open our eyes even more… I remember General Mkhwanazi was saying, I can't sit with a thug in the office. I understand what he was saying because really, even myself, I wouldn't want to sit with a thug.”.Sign up for your early morning brew of the BizNews Insider to keep you up to speed with the content that matters. The newsletter will land in your inbox at 5:30am weekdays. Register here.Support South Africa’s bastion of independent journalism, offering balanced insights on investments, business, and the political economy, by joining BizNews Premium. Register here.If you prefer WhatsApp for updates, sign up to the BizNews channel here..Watch here:.Listen here:.Edited transcript of the interview.Chris Steyn (00:01.723)The battle to reclaim MKP from former President Jacob Zuma is far from over. We speak to the real founder of MKP, Mr. Jabulani Khumalo. Welcome, Sir. Jabulani Khumalo (00:17.23)Good afternoon, ma'am. Thanks for having me in your studio. Chris Steyn (00:23.089)You're welcome. Take us through that Constitutional Court decision this week. Exactly what does it mean? Jabulani Khumalo (00:25.454)Thanks. Jabulani Khumalo (00:31.714)Yes, we made an application in actual fact, was a not urgent, semi-urgent application in the ConCourt, due to the fact that we are having lots of challenges in the MK. The MK that we registered has been turned into a stokvel and also into, I really don't know, but it's crazy. There is no leadership, there is no direction. And as directors, we feel that our name is being rubbed on the mud just because of certain individuals that want to enrich themselves to this party. And also for other people who thinks that they can use MK to fight their battles. Others are fighting their battles to go back to ANC. There are statements that everybody knows. People are saying that they want to go through, they want to take the MK members and negotiate their positions in the ANC, which we don't want. So because of those things, we decided that, no, let's go to ConCourt and try and see if they can assist us in taking back the party so we can uproot all these wrongdoings. Unfortunately, the ConCourt said we must show the cause on the access. They call it the access. So we tried to make the case on the access, but we failed. So because of that, the court then said we then must go back to the lower courts. I understand other people don't understand that if the court says they denied you access, it doesn't mean that you have lost the case. The only thing is that you need to go back and put your case before the other judges in the lower courts. So that's is going to happen. Now we are at that point. And the other thing that people must understand is that… Jabulani Khumalo (02:56.29)The ConCourt made it that they denied us access, the direct access, because we were not able to convince them. The second part was that my application must go back to SCA because SCA has had my appeal, but I did not finalise. It was…I did not submit all the papers that were supposed to be submitted. So we will do exactly that. That is the main reason why we are trying our level best to take back the party because people out there are now being chopped and changed every day. You can't have a party, a young party like MK having to have nine secretaries in just a space of less than two years. I think about six or five treasurers in a space of less than two years. In that space, in that short space, we have a number of congressmen that have been expelled out of the party with no reason, no cause. Not even a single time when they are called to explain themselves if there is anything wrong they've done. There's one comrade in Durban.. He's been expelled three times. He's been brought back, expelled, brought back, expelled. This is crazy. This is not leadership. We need to take back MK to the real people who loves MK, who understand why did we register MK.… Not this craziness of pushing people around, bullying people just because you have a power. People are abusing the power that they have in MK, which they stole by a signature that was forged. Jabulani Khumalo (05:20.32)And those people call themselves leadership. But they are sitting in those seats in a wrong way. They got those seats through forgery. And if you are a leader and you accept forgery, fraud in this country, which we say away with fraud. And General Mkhwanazi is explaining these things every day. People are trying to steal this country through fraud. We have so many cartels, but MK has got a cartel also now. Because this cartel that is taking over MK is a cartel. You can't have people that always fight everybody just because they don't want to be challenged. They don't want to be told they are wrong. So I am not going to sit back and look and allow thuggery in the organisation. I have comrades who can lead this organisation, who are out there waiting. And I'm still encouraging them to wait. Their time is coming. The party will come back. And these thugs will be out. And we really have to deal with them. If they want to keep their membership, we won't fire them or expel them. We'll keep them as members. But they must understand they are not going to come back here and take positions. The people that were in those positions must go back to those positions and they must leave. Chris Steyn (07:04.135)Now Sir, you've had a number of legal setbacks. Have you not once felt that you should just let him have the party and give up? Jabulani Khumalo (07:17.004)Well, let me explain this. I've never, in actual fact, lost one case. Never. All the cases were on technicalities. The first one in Electoral Court was because I did not get enough advice that I need to show with a paper to say this signature was forged. So I went to court thinking that you can present, you can say, you can show, because I had the two letters. I thought the court will take that, but the court said, no, they are not experts. We must bring the experts. That's what I have done now. The appeal also, I had not yet employed the experts. So I've employed the experts. So, I'm going there and then I will show it. That's what I was showing to the ConCourt that the signature was forged. There is a case opened against certain individuals whom we think they are the ones who forged the signature because they are the ones that send it to IEC. Together on that same day, we had to send to IEC two letters, my letter and the letter … And I'm very, worried what kind of an ex-president who can sit and continue to call himself a president of the old party by a signature that was forged. And he knows it very well. If he doesn't, then he must be fooled because I have explained this thing and he's got the letter that I wrote to him. There is nothing he doesn't understand, but he thinks people are going to be fools and fool us and I'm not going to be fooled by him. He knows he's on that seat forgery fraudulently and he must understand that he must get out of that seat because he doesn't deserve it. Chris Steyn (09:42.961)So is Mr. Zuma in control of MKP or is somebody else manipulating? Jabulani Khumalo (09:52.142)It's Zuma's cartel that is controlling the MKP. He's not in control, but he is cartel. Chris Steyn (10:02.299)And who are those members of MKP? Jabulani Khumalo (10:05.644)It's all this, I don't know what they call themselves, sitting next to him. It's like, you know, when the flies are flying, always there. So I don't understand, I don't know who those people are, but they are his people. Chris Steyn (10:21.479)Now, since you are from KZN, what are you making of the testimony of the KZN Police Commissioner at the Madlanga Commission and at the Ad Hoc Committee in Parliament? Jabulani Khumalo (10:39.554)Well, what I'm happy about is that the whole country is now aware that the system of security that we are being secured by is actually has so many holes on it and is leaking and it cannot run this countyr properly if these leaders of the SAPS will continue under this stress they are in now. The country is gone. That is why when you look in our country, there are so many illegal people running our country, running businesses, running whatever. They even own the houses. They even take the houses. If you go to Pretoria, these people without legal documents, they have houses. Beautiful houses in Pretoria, in Centurion, in Kempton Park, they own them….in Sandton, they own them. Cape Town, they own them. Then you ask yourself, how did they get those houses? They get them through the workers from the municipality, from Department of Public Works, and the police helping them to get them. I think what General Mkhwanazi and General Masemola and Khumalo and all of them, what they have said on the TV in Matlanga Commission is true. In actual fact, they are helping us to open our eyes even more to understand the stresses they are under so that we as a community, we go and assist them to make sure that this thuggery that is happening in our country is vanished, is taken away, is uprooted…us as the community that can take those people out of the country and clean our country and also assist the police, the real police. I remember Mkhwanazi saying, General Mkhwanazi was saying, I can't sit with a thug in the office. I understand what he was saying because really, even myself, I wouldn't want to sit with a thug. Jabulani Khumalo (13:07.512)I wouldn't want to sit with a person that allows a forgery and say he is a leader. I will not sit with that person because my understanding is that person is not right in his mind. Chris Steyn (13:22.503)Well, I see that the police have arrived at the home of suspended Deputy Police Commissioner Shadrack Sibiya this afternoon en masse, either for a raid or more….What do you say? Jabulani Khumalo (13:45.24)Well, unfortunately, I haven't seen it, but if they are cleaning up… I would appreciate. Let everybody be searched and everyone that is holding a position. Now we need to have a committee that will look into their lifestyle because you know, these cartels are putting a lot of money into our leaders. And that's why today, South Africa is in this mess because our leaders are being run by these cartels. They are led by the dogs. People who use dark money, black money to use our leaders. We can't allow that. We need leadership. And without leadership, the country will go down, will sink. So I'm happy if they're doing what is right. Chris Steyn (14:45.393)Thank you, Sir. That was the real founder of MKP. Speaking to BizNews, thank you, Mr. Jabulani, Khumalo, and I'm Chris Steyn Jabulani Khumalo (14:54.68)Thank you so much,

Jabulani Khumalo: Zuma’s “cartel” & Mkhwanazi’s truth - and the “black money” buying SA leaders

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